The Outrider Podcast

Kitten Nuts

We fawn over the new kittens, and kitten nuts, then discuss the launching of the Substack experiment, and our usual wander through the frustration and mystery of publishing, including genre, and the things. 

 

You can read more from Jenn Zuko at https://jennzuko.wordpress.com and on her Substack

 

You can follow Jason Quinn Malott at https://www.jquinnmalott.com and read my Substack, too.

It's Not a Conspiracy. It's Mass Production

In this episode we talk about the so-called MFA conspiracy and how it’s not a conspiracy at all. As usual, Jason talks too much because he’s alone most of the time. 

 

Much Ado About MFAs by Lincoln Michel https://countercraft.substack.com/p/much-ado-about-mfas-1eb?r=1fslzq&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

 

You can read more from Jenn Zuko at https://jennzuko.wordpress.com and on her Substack

 

You can follow Jason Quinn Malott at https://www.jquinnmalott.com

 

This show’s audio is cleaned up and trimmed by Heather Eden. 

My Personal Experience is Sh*t and I Should Go Live in a Cave

In this episode we discuss the dopamine hit of going slightly viral on social media for stating the obvious, the speed of the internet, commodifying ourselves, indie authors, age, expiration dates, and the discipline of not posting everything we think.

 

Team Human Breaking with the Speed of the Internet https://www.teamhuman.fm/episodes/292-rushkoff-the-speed-of-the-internet

and Artificial Creativity https://www.teamhuman.fm/episodes/294-artificial-creativity

 

You can read more from Jenn Zuko at https://jennzuko.wordpress.com and on her Substack

 

You can follow Jason Quinn Malott at https://www.jquinnmalott.com

 

This show’s audio is cleaned up and trimmed by Heather Eden. 

My Metaphysical Tautology

In this episode, we discuss the publishing world and what is and isn’t wrong with it. Do we read or not read? What is a book? What isn’t a book? How many times can we repeat what we’ve repeated again. 

 

The piece that started it all: No One Buys Books

https://www.elysian.press/p/no-one-buys-books?r=1fslzq&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

 

The spot on reply: No, Most Books Don’t Sell Only a Dozen Copies

https://countercraft.substack.com/p/no-most-books-dont-sell-only-a-dozen

 

A reference piece: Please Stop Bashing Book Publishing by Kathleen Schmidt

https://kathleenschmidt.substack.com/p/please-stop-bashing-book-publishing?r=1fslzq&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

 

A reference piece: Does publishing online ruin your chances of finding a traditional publisher? 

https://simonkjones.substack.com/p/does-publishing-online-ruin-your?r=1fslzq&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

 

A reference piece: This Conversation Made Me a Sharper Editor - The Ezra Klein Show

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-conversation-made-me-a-sharper-editor/id1548604447?i=1000653308543

 

And a snark-tastic reply we didn’t see before we recorded: The REAL Truth About Publishing by Gabino Iglesias

https://gabinoiglesias.substack.com/p/the-real-truth-about-publishing

 

You can read more from Jenn Zuko at https://jennzuko.wordpress.com and on her Substack

 

You can follow Jason Quinn Malott at https://www.jquinnmalott.com

 

This show’s audio is cleaned up and trimmed by Heather Eden. 

Whenever He Sees a Wet Spot, He Has to Lick It.

AWP summary from Jason, and lots of books, books, books. Not keeping secrets, reviving our passions, and lots and lots of man-babies.

 

Instead of individual books, check out these small presses. 

 

Astrophil Books

7:13 Books

Stalking Horse Press

Graywolf Press

Black Lawrence Press

 

You can read more from Jenn Zuko at https://jennzuko.wordpress.com and on her Substack

 

You can follow Jason Quinn Malott at https://www.jquinnmalott.com

 

This show’s audio is cleaned up and trimmed by Heather Eden. 

The Persistent State of Meh. A Happy Show.

In this episode we talk a little bit about mental health and writing, and a tiny bit about joy. 

 

Catch up on Jenn’s adventures with her memoir

 

The Career Adjunct podcast 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-career-adjunct/id1712918978?i=1000634210726

 

Her interview on Create Me Free: 

https://open.substack.com/pub/createmefree/p/art-and-mental-health-interview-with-293?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

 

And her guest post on The Recovering Academic 

https://open.substack.com/pub/joshuadolezal/p/guest-post-jenn-zuko?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

 

 

 

You can read more from Jenn Zuko at https://jennzuko.wordpress.com and on her Substack

 

You can follow Jason Quinn Malott at https://www.jquinnmalott.com

 

This show’s audio is cleaned up and trimmed by Heather Eden. 

The Numbers Say We Suck, But That’s Just The Algorithm.

In this episode we talk about the usual stuff like our readings and writings, catching Covid for the first time, getting noticed by pubs (the boozy kind), and our cranky, cranky take on the future of publishing. 

 

The article that launches us on the rants. The Fight for The Future of Publishing by Alex Perez

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-fight-for-the-future-of-publishing

 

 

You can read more from Jenn Zuko at https://jennzuko.wordpress.com and on her Substack

 

You can follow Jason Quinn Malott at https://www.jquinnmalott.com

 

This show’s audio is cleaned up and trimmed by Heather Eden. 

Aaaaargh! So, How Are Your Anger Issues Tonight?

On this month’s episode we talk about recording issues, Jenn’s first driver’s license, pooping, peri-menopause, and D&D dice.  The big topic is a combination of AI in publishing, Literary Freedom, and how we’re letting algorithms determine what is worth publishing and kill art.  

 

 

 

Reading

Jenn:  LeCarre box set.  Colorado Paranormal Society from a new press in Denver. 

Jason: The Refugee Ocean by Pauls Toutonghi.  

 

 

Jenn’s interview on The Career Adjunct Podcast

https://www.buzzsprout.com/2251914/13937795

 

 

Source Material

 The Transformative Role of Artificial Intelligence in the Publishing Industry by Tony Saikaly for FADEL

 

Pen Center: Booklash: Literary Freedom, Online Outrage, and The Language of Harm

https://pen.org/report/booklash/

 

 

You can read more from Jenn Zuko at https://jennzuko.wordpress.com and on her Substack

 

You can follow Jason Quinn Malott at https://www.jquinnmalott.com

 

This show’s audio is cleaned up and trimmed by Heather Eden. 

Come and Live in Kansas for Ten Years, Ya Sh*tstick.

In this episode we discuss time, Star Trek, Ulysses (again), being delusional, the silent rejection, and the purpose, importance, and intent of small presses in response to a Spring 2023 episode of M. Allen Cunningham’s In The Atelier podcast. 

 

 

Discussion Source

April 3rd Episode of In The Atelier: Answering 10 Questions About Atelier26 Books & Small Publishing

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/in-the-atelier/id1488083777?i=1000607130434

 

 

Reading:

Jenn - Sherlock Holmes and John LeCarre

 

Jason - Mulligan Stew by Gilbert Sorrentino

 

You can read more from Jenn Zuko at https://jennzuko.wordpress.com and on her Substack

 

You can follow Jason Quinn Malott at https://www.jquinnmalott.com

 

This show’s audio is cleaned up and trimmed by Heather Eden. 

Sorry We’re so Tardy, but We Had a Little Party . . .

Sorry we’re a bit hard this month, but Jason had a birthday party, and a vacation. Heather started a new job. Jenn did things, we don’t know. In this episode we talk about time, Aubrey Plaza, not reading fiction as much, being out of place and perfect but ignored, and getting our 28 year old student loans erased by the first round of the Income Dependent Repayment plan update.

 

You can read more from Jenn Zuko at https://jennzuko.wordpress.com and on her Substack

 

You can follow Jason Quinn Malott at https://www.jquinnmalott.com

 

This show’s audio is cleaned up and trimmed by Heather Eden.