Episodes

Monday Mar 06, 2023
The Outrider Podcast: A Face-to-Face with Mimosas
Monday Mar 06, 2023
Monday Mar 06, 2023
In this episode we discuss the illusion of TV as a substitute for socializing, finding comp titles, homogenization as a way to increase extraction. Award season for TV and movies and the awesomeness around Jamie Lee Curtis being a champion… and of course Chokepoint Capitalism and the threat to our non-existent livelihood.
You should read Chokepoint Capitalism by Rebecca Giblin and Cory Doctorow.
Here’s some reviews and articles:
You can read more from Jenn at https://jennzuko.wordpress.com and on her Substack
You can follow Jason at https://www.jquinnmalott.com

Monday Feb 06, 2023
We are not the popular kids.
Monday Feb 06, 2023
Monday Feb 06, 2023
In our February episode we jump right in with Dick, Moby Dick then ranting about holiday stress and turning fifty. We then do a bit of an exercise based on a bestseller list Jenn sent to find out how much the Big Five Publishers dominate the publishing market. All of it. The answer is all of it, and we’re not at the popular kid’s table. And Jason probably talks too much.
Here is a link to the NY Times article we started with.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/08/books/review/2022-reading-picks-from-times-staff-critics.html
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You can read more from Jenn at https://jennzuko.wordpress.com and on her Substack
You can follow Jason at https://www.jquinnmalott.com

Wednesday Jan 04, 2023
The Outrider Podcast: 1-23:The Heroine with 1,001Faces
Wednesday Jan 04, 2023
Wednesday Jan 04, 2023
This month we continue our topic on story basics, as well as what we’re working on, reading, and what is making us happy. Today we discuss Maria Tartar’s The Heroine with 1,001 Faces.
Jenn is still reading Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson, but has added A Sentimental Education by Hannah McGregor
Jason is reading Ghost Wall by Sarah Moss, How Minds Change by David McRaney, and The Inferno by Dante.
Other references we make:
Joseph Campbell The Hero with a Thousand Faces
Lee Berger, John Hawks Almost Human: The Astonishing Tale of Homo naledi and the Discovery That Changed Our Human Story to read more about the Rising Star cave discovery.
For more on Jenn go to her social media
For more on Jason go to his social media

Wednesday Dec 07, 2022
The Outrider Podcast: There’s genre and then there’s (marketing) Genre
Wednesday Dec 07, 2022
Wednesday Dec 07, 2022
Welcome to episode 2 of The Outrider Podcast with Jenn Zuko and Jason Quinn Malott
Today, we talk about the core foundation of story and how genre, at least as we understand it in the age of book marketing and mega-publishers, is irrelevant to the quality of the story and is actually a means to ghettoize and segregate readers so that they can be more easily marketed to.
Some of our intake:
Our Idiot Brother and my essay on Medium
Chronicle of a Death Foretold by Gabriel Garci Marquez
Glory Guitars: Memoir of a 90s Teenage Punk Rock Grrrl by Gogo Germaine
The Hellhound Heart, by Clive Barker
Philip Pullman’s Carnegie Medal speech - I cannot find a Pullman-approved version of this. Just an unlinked, unsourced version on blog. Search for it on your own. I don’t like linking to unverified sources.
Apollo Remastered: The Ultimate Photographic Record by Andy Saunders

Wednesday Nov 02, 2022
The Outrider Podcast Episode 168: The Carrier Bag
Wednesday Nov 02, 2022
Wednesday Nov 02, 2022
Welcome back to the Outrider Podcast.
After a long hiatus, I’m back with a new full-time co-host, Jenn Zuko. Jenn was the very first guest on The Outrider Podcast way back in 2013. Since then she’s been on several special episodes as well as our seven part series on Bad Ass Female Tropes and our seven parter on Toxic Masculinity Tropes. We’ll be releasing one regular episode a month where we discuss what we’re working on, what we’re reading, what has made us happy, and finally a craft or business topic that might, sometimes, include a special guest.
For episode one, it’s just the two of us. Once we get past the writing, reading, and happiness, we’ll be discussing Ursula K. LeGuin’s Carrier Bag Theory of Fiction. There’s a link below to her essay as well as most of the things we reference in the show.
Follow Jenn at Daily Cross Swords
Keep up with Jason at https://www.jquinnmalott.com
An Incomplete List of Things We Talked About
Ursula K. LeGuin: The Carrier Bag Theory of Fiction
Jenn Zuko: Three Rules: The Monomyth Revisited The Aged Hero’s Journey, Hero’s Journey / Villain’s Journey
Joseph Campbell: The Hero with a Thousand Faces
Maria Tatar: The Heroine with 1001 Faces
Star Trek: TNG episodes S5:E2 Darmok, & S5:E25 The Inner Light
The Love Boat S5:E15 I Don’t Play Anymore / Gopher’s Roommate / Crazy for You
Douglas Rushkoff Survival of Richest: Escape Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires
Neal Stephenson Snow Crash.

Sunday Oct 16, 2022

Saturday Jan 16, 2021
Ep 4: Nightwood by Djuna Barnes
Saturday Jan 16, 2021
Saturday Jan 16, 2021
In this mini-series I’m joined by my long-time friend, the poet Delia Tramontina for a lively discussion of Djuna Barnes seminal novel Nightwood.
In Episode 4, since Delia and I struggled to get a handle on Nightwood, we’ve invited Stacey Kohut, a fan of the novel and friend of Delia’s to help us get a better understanding of its charms.
Stacey Kohut is a higher education administrator, received her MFA in Writing from the University of San Francisco, and is currently a doctoral student at USF's School of Education. In addition to her utter failure to maintain work/school/life balance, she is managing her addiction to the printed word. Stacey has contributed to Backwords Blog and has served as a guest curator for Bay Area Generations.
Delia Tramontina is from Flushing, NY. She earned her MFA in Writing and Poetics from Naropa University's Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics. Her work has appeared in Newtown Literary, Forum, and 1111. Her chapbook CONSTRAINT is available from Dancing Girl Press. For 3.5 years she co-hosted the online show, Poet as Radio, on San Francisco Community Radio. She lives and works in San Francisco.

Saturday Jan 09, 2021
Ep 3: Nightwood by Djuna Barnes
Saturday Jan 09, 2021
Saturday Jan 09, 2021
In this mini-series I’m joined by my long-time friend, the poet Delia Tramontina for a lively discussion of Djuna Barnes seminal novel Nightwood.
In Episode 3, we’ll discuss the chapters Watchman, What of the Night, Where the Tree Falls, Go Down, Matthew, and The Possessed.
Delia Tramontina is from Flushing, NY. She earned her MFA in Writing and Poetics from Naropa University's Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics. Her work has appeared in Newtown Literary, Forum, and 1111. Her chapbook CONSTRAINT is available from Dancing Girl Press. For 3.5 years she co-hosted the online show, Poet as Radio, on San Francisco Community Radio. She lives and works in San Francisco.

Saturday Jan 02, 2021
Ep 2: Nightwood by Djuna Barnes
Saturday Jan 02, 2021
Saturday Jan 02, 2021
In this mini-series I’m joined by my long-time friend, the poet Delia Tramontina for a lively discussion of Djuna Barnes seminal novel Nightwood.
In Episode 2, we’ll discuss the chapters Bow Down, La Somnambule, Night Watch, and “The Squatter.”
Delia Tramontina is from Flushing, NY. She earned her MFA in Writing and Poetics from Naropa University's Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics. Her work has appeared in Newtown Literary, Forum, and 1111. Her chapbook CONSTRAINT is available from Dancing Girl Press. For 3.5 years she co-hosted the online show, Poet as Radio, on San Francisco Community Radio. She lives and works in San Francisco.

Saturday Dec 26, 2020
Ep 1: Nightwood by Djuna Barnes
Saturday Dec 26, 2020
Saturday Dec 26, 2020
In this mini-series I’m joined by my long-time friend, the poet Delia Tramontina for a lively discussion of Djuna Barnes seminal novel Nightwood.
In Episode 1, we’ll read and discuss the preface and introduction to Djuna Barnes' novel Nightwood. The preface is by Jeanette Winterson, and the Introduction is by T.S. Eliot.
Delia Tramontina is from Flushing, NY. She earned her MFA in Writing and Poetics from Naropa University's Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics. Her work has appeared in Newtown Literary, Forum, and 1111. Her chapbook CONSTRAINT is available from Dancing Girl Press. For 3.5 years she co-hosted the online show, Poet as Radio, on San Francisco Community Radio. She lives and works in San Francisco.